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And the role of this global cult of secret
societies is to manipulate global events to generate low vibrational energetic responses
from humans. So look at the first world war, look at the second world war, look at
economic depressions, economic deprivation, look at uh what's happened in in Gaza since
October the 7th. Look at what's happening in Iran now. The these are enormous uh
uh producers of low vibrational energy. Hello everyone. A warm greeting to all our
friends. It's an honor for me to have David Icke with us on our podcast today. Thank you David
and good evening. It's a real pleasure to have you here. My pleasure too, mate. I have with me
Elisabetta Soro, my precious collaborator who the end of our conversation would like to ask you one
question as well. Okay. Even though you are very well known worldwide, I think it could be useful
to do a brief introduction for the very few who don't know you and your work. Okay. I uh was born
in a place called Leicester in the East Midlands of England and was born on a what we call a
workingclass housing estate, council house estate in Britain. And I had this desire from quite
an early age to be a professional footballer, which was quite an ambition given that most people
don't... don't become footballers even though they want to be. But somehow I I managed to become one.
And then my career finished at 21 with rheumatoid arthritis. And I went into journalism and I worked
on newspapers and radio and then I joined BBC, first of all regional and then national news...
news to start with but then I went into full-time sport. I also became a... a national spokesman
for the British Green Party, which gave me a a real insight - which I didn't like, into politics,
which put me off for life. And then, towards the end of the 1980s, some very strange things started
happening to me. First of all, whenever I was in a room alone, it seemed like I wasn't alone. It
was like there was a presence there and I... I went on like this for a year. And the presence
got more and more tangible, almost touchable, until the spring the March of 1990 when I'd been
working for the BBC in London. I went back to my hotel room and I sat on the side of the bed and I
was on my own and the presence was so tangible I spoke out in the room and said: look, if there's
something there, would you please contact me because you're driving me up the wall. Few days
later, I'm... I'm in a news agent shop with my... my son who's a little boy then, big, big strapping
bloke now, and I suddenly felt this... this the atmosphere change. What what I would say now was
it was a change in the electromagnetic field. I also felt like magnets were pulling my feet
to the... to the floor and I heard a... not not a voice but a very strong thought form which
said: go and look at the books on the far side. So I'm standing there in... in total bewilderment.
What the heck is going on? I walked across the... the the shop to the to the books and I I knew
what the books were. They were romantic novels that were that bookshop or the news agent sold
to the tourists, who used to sit on the beach reading them and stuff. But so I I was bewildered
about the books for a start as I walked across and then I saw in the middle of the romantic novels
this woman's face on a book called Mind to Mind and I was attracted to it because it was different
to the rest. And I turned it over and it said the word psychic. This was a book by a professional
psychic. It was a biography. So... immediately my reaction was: I wonder if this lady would...
would pick up what's been going on around me for the last year. So I bought the book. I read it in
24 hours and I arranged to go and see her. And... I saw her four times in the spring of of 1990.
First two times I went because what I told her was that I had arthritis and maybe a hands-on healing
would help me... I said nothing at all about what I'd been experiencing for a year. Nothing.
Only my family knew about it anyway. So I... I went a couple of times and we had a nice chat.
And then the third time I went, I felt at at one point like a spid's web was on my face, very,
very tangible. And I... immediately I thought: this is what she said in her book, that when other
dimensions of reality are trying to lock into you, you feel like a spid's web on your face sometimes.
And it was like... it's like an electromagnetic field. Exactly that. And so I said nothing to
her. I'm sitting on this medical type bench in her front room and I said nothing to her, but a few
seconds later she throws her head back and says: "My god, this is powerful. I've got to close my
eyes for this one." Remember at this time I'm... I'm a television presenter. I'm presenting the
sport for the BBC. And this lady then proceeded to tell me that she was seeing a figure in her
mind and the figure was asking her to tell me what... what they were communicating. And sitting
there that day I was told that I was going to go out on a world stage and reveal great secrets.
And what... what from that moment I would be led to knowledge, and knowledge would also be put
directly into my mind and I would think where did that come from and many other things too. All of
which have come true. And so... from that moment it started and I went on this journey. I left the
BBC - the the BBC left me actually. They... they didn't renew my contract which was very surprising
because - you know - I got many commendations for my work and I was only - you know - young, young
at the time. But what that did was, was free me to to go wherever this was taking me. And it did
take me to people, books... personal experiences, documents, endless different sources of different
information. But it was... it was like someone was handing me pieces in a jigsaw puzzle, pretty much
in the order that you can start to... understand where they go. So it started off where I was...
I was basically deluged with information that... there was a global network of secret societies
that were um basically running then and dictating the direction of the world. And that... they were
the real power in the world. Not the presidents and the prime ministers and the here today gone
tomorrow politicians. And it went on from there as I went deeper and deeper in the rabbit hole into
the nonhuman dimension of what I call "global cult of secret societies". What it's actually serving
was another dimensional force that wasn't human. It went on from there as I went deeper and deeper
in the rabbit hole and the information was driving me there to the fact that... we live in a fake
reality, a simulated reality that's being created by this other dimensional force to entrap human
perception and human self-identity and put us in a myopia of awareness. Both of the reality
we're experiencing and of the nature of who we really are which is not... human. It's... it's
consciousness. It's a state of consciousness which is ultimately all consciousness and we are
an expression of that. And so... it's... it's been quite a journey over the last 36 years to say
the least and of course as... as you will know Mauro when... when you say things that are outside
the box then people who are still inside the box think you're crazy and or think you're dangerous
or both. And so I've experienced enormous uh levels of ridicule, enormous levels of abuse
over the last 36 years, but you know I I'm not interested in a round of applause and... and a
statue. Thank you very much. I'm interested in what the hell's going on so we can do something
about it. And... what has happened is that the more events in the world have unfolded, the
more they've confirmed that what I was saying, crazy as it may seem at the time, is actually
confirming what I said. Oh yes, of course. But I think your work is characterized by a broad
and fascinating vision that has been far ahead of your time, allowing us to open a window onto
a reality. A truth that may be unsettling yet necessary to understand our world. And so, David,
thank you for quoting my book, Gods of the Bible, in your book, The Road Map, which focuses on the
idea that we are all living in a simulation. And about this, I have some questions. May I
start with the first? Go. Yeah. Of course, I read your latest uh book with great interest.
And on page 12, you write: "The scale of the illusion can be seen with the fact that the
brain doesn't exist as a physical entity either. For many people this is quite a challenging idea.
Yeah. Could you kindly explain to our audience how do you interpret the role of the the brain in the
simulation given that it belongs to the illusion? Well... it's an illusion in the sense of how
we... how we see it, how we experience it, as a like physical entity because there is no physical.
What it is, however, is a field, a very complex field in its own way of information. If you uh
look at a computer, it's processing information. If what I... what I found very compelling is
the way that the technological world that's so fast unfolded in my lifetime, your lifetime - from
the computerization, the artificial intelligence, the digital level of it and all the rest
of it. How that mirrors, technologically, the way that we interact with reality and the way
we create the reality that we think is real. So... I don't have Wi-Fi in this... in this place, but
if I did, there would be a Wi-Fi field in the room which anyone in the world could tap into with a
computer. And the information in the Wi-Fi field is just encoded information in the electromagnetic
field. But what the computer does is it locks into that field, that field of information, and it
decodes it into what we see on the screen. What we see on the screen is that same information in the
field, in the Wi-Fi field that's in a completely different form when we see it on the screen.
It's transformed. So when I started looking at well mainstream science in how we... we create
reality, it's the same principle. It's it's basically the same. This matrix, this simulation
is a field or fields of information. And so we need a computer to decode that information into
a completely different form, which is the world we think we're living in. And that computer is
this, the human body. I've been calling it and the human brain of course massively. So I've been
calling the human body "a biological computer" since the 1990s because I'm saying that's what
it is. And when I then look at mainstream science and how we create reality, the reality we think
we're in, it's obviously computer-like because you have the five senses. The five senses
are that which directly interact with this information field, cosmic Wi-Fi if you like. And
the senses, they all work basically the same, turn that frequency information in the field
into electrical information. They send it to the brain and the brain has different areas that
specialize in decoding the different senses and together the brain puts together a... what
what is actually a holographic reality which is precisely the same principle as the computer
decoding Wi-Fi and putting it on the screen in a totally different form. That's what the brain
is doing. But it's operating electrically and electromagnetically itself because there is no...
there is no physical. There's only the holographic illusion of physical. So if we... if we look at
what I'm saying, I'm saying that actually there is no external world either; that what we experience
- I'll grant you it seems like that is an external world - is actually all going on in here, and the
brain is a processor of information. It's not the seat of consciousness that's something else. It's
a processor of information. It's a processor of information, for instance, coming from the...
the cosmic Wi-Fi field, the matrix. And it's also has the... the potential if we awaken to
consciousness to... to process what consciousness is dictating to. And the difference between
someone who is simply decoding the matrix and the whole body program - as I call it - is
running the show and someone who has opened their mind to consciousness. So consciousness
is coming in and influencing that perception, that dynamic. That's what we call awakening.
People... people are awakening. When they say: I'm awakening and they suddenly see the world in
a different way. They're awakening from the body program. Because what I'm saying is that this -
what I call biological computer - is a program. It's a software program. And it obviously,
you know, when people say that's fantastic, that's kind of ridiculous. What do you mean it's a
body? Well, when's the last time, people remember breathing? They remember breathing the last time
they were out of breath. What's the last time they remember digesting food and all the fantastic
processes that the body is delivering second by second in response to heat or cold or environment
in its various ways? And what I'm saying is that this "body computer" also includes psychological
programs, perceptual programs. And you can look for instance at the... the reptilian brain, as
scientists call it, the R complex in the back of the brain here where the probe went in in the
Matrix movies to take them into the Matrix. We get psychological big time, psychological responses
and reactions from that reptilian brain alone. Fight or flight comes from the reptilian
brain. The reptilian brain is constantly um scanning the environment looking for threats to
survival. Not just physical survival, not just... the the obvious survivals, but survival of
relationships, survival of your job, survival to pay the rent at the end of the month. All these
things come from the reptilian brain. Road rage comes from the reptilian brain. So, it's not just
that the body is a biological computer that's constantly processing information. And that's
what it's doing. It's processing information. When you go into a room and it's very cold,
that information... which is a frequency, is um processed by... by the body and it compensates
for the cold as best it can or it compensates for the heat. All the time the body is processing
information because it's a software program and it's also a... psychological perceptual program.
Now, if you go through your life only responding to the perceptual program running through the
biological computer, then it's running you. You are you are pretty much biological AI. But if you
open your mind and you let consciousness in the true eye, the true self that the manipulators
want to exclude in the interests of control, then you can override this program. And that's
what we call... that's what we call awakening. And you know it's the... The understanding
that really makes sense of the world is that this matrix was created by an other dimensional
force and this global cult within human society that I talk about is serving the interests of
that other dimensional force. And what are those interests? Those interests are that this other
dimensional force is feeding off human energy. When the Morpheus character in the Matrix movie
held up the battery and said the Matrix is a computer generated dream world built to turn
humans into one of these, or into this. That was a profound truth. What I've picked up over the
years... from different sources - because you know it's you're always putting you know adding bits
and adding bits and then you see the the picture emerging - is that this other dimensional force is
feeding off human energy. But a particular type: this other dimensional force consciousness
is actually an extraordinarily inverted, schismatic, chaotic state of consciousness,
state of awareness. It’s very low-vibrational in the way that it operates and in terms of the
frequency it vibrates at. And therefore, if it's going to absorb energy from humans, then it has to
be within a band of frequency that it can absorb. You know... So again, mainstream science tells us
that every time we think, and every time we have an emotional reaction, we are generating energy.
We're generating a frequency. This is what people call vibes. I got good vibes from him. I got bad
vibes from them. You're feeling the frequency. You can't see it because it's outside of this
narrow band of frequency called visible light, which is all we can actually see. But you can
feel it. You get the vibes off people. And it's these vibes that this other dimensional force is
absorbing as a nutrient, as power if you like. And so it's not interested in anything that's high
vibrational because it can't absorb that. It's got to be low vibrational. And it just so happens
that this energy, which this force can absorb, relates to human emotions rooted in the basic
emotion of fear. Fear, anxiety, depression, resentment, regret, hatred, conflict, war,
all these things generate low vibrational energy. Humans give it off like... like
a battery or like a a power source. And so the dynamic is you've got this other
dimensional force which feeds off low vibrational human energy. And the role of this global cult of
secret societies is to manipulate global events to generate low vibrational energetic responses
from humans. So, look at the first world war, look at the second world war, look at economic
depressions, economic deprivation. Look at what's happened in in Gaza since October the 7th. Look
at what's happening in Iran now. The these are enormous... producers of low vibrational energy.
And what it means is that this cult serving this no other dimensional force has no interest
whatsoever in a world of love, of joy, of peace, of harmony because that's not the frequency that
this other dimensional source can absorb. And so, if you look through what we call human history,
first of all the few have always controlled the many. Why is that? And the other thing is it's...
It's a whole history of events that generate low vibrational human response in terms of emotion
and thought. And because this is... this is a place where where we're basically vampired -
energetically vampired - and it makes so much sense of the world suddenly. This is a very
interesting perspective and it's very clear, David. Now I have a second question for you. You
affirm that religions share a common origin - and I agree totally with you. Could you explain
a little on this point and in what sense do religions lead back to the same source? Yeah, well
that's an interesting question... You know, I've always questioned religion all my life. I've never
gone with... with religion. But when I was writing "The Road Map" - where I quoted you of course - it
really, really hit me because of the 28 chapters in "The Road Map" - I think five - are about
religion in its various forms. It really hit me just how fundamental religious belief is to human
control. And what I'm saying is that, you know: if you look at the level that humans are operating
on, you see loads of different religions and you see loads of different political ideologies. You
see orthodox science, which I say is just another religion... because it's structured in the same
way, it operates in the same way, and it seems to be like... this mass of different competing
religious political scientific beliefs. But if you go into this other dimensional level and the
inner core of this cult within human society, then all these religions and political
parties - whatever you want to call them - and orthodox science, they all fuse
into the same hands, if you like. This is very, very, very important to human control.
Because if you look at the mathematics alone, it should be impossible for this through history
sequence to constantly recur where the few control the many. We're told there's 8 billion plus people
in the world, but the number of people in full knowledge who are driving the direction of the
world to greater and greater dystopia - AI human fusion dystopia is what they want, the number
doing that is... a tiny fraction by comparison to the 8 billion. So mathematically it should
not be possible. So then you look at and ask: why is it happening then? And you see that
there's a structure in place that works like this. You are the few and you're faced with a vast
number of people. If those people were in unity, if they were working together and they knew of
your existence and what you were doing, then it would be over overnight. The the "house of cards",
because that's what it is, would come down. So, first of all, you have to hide you and what you're
doing. You have to hide the source from which it's all coming from. So you lead the population to
believe that presidents and prime ministers and governments are running the world. Then you look
at the population in general and you think: well, if they're unified, then we've got no chance.
So how... how do we break them up? Number one: you get them to believe rigidly and without
question in a belief of some kind. Overwhelmingly, it's a religious belief. It's extraordinary the
numbers when you you think that there's 8 billion people in the world, we're told, and 5.4 billion
of them are said to identify either as Christian, as Muslim or as Hindu, never mind all the others.
So you get people to believe rigidly in in some kind of belief. Now overwhelmingly it's a
religious belief, whichever religion it is, but also science is a a religion in the sense that
it has a rigid belief... that repels all borders until the evidence is so overwhelming, it can't
do it anymore. That's the story of science. Well, science in the modern world anyway. And you have
the political beliefs: your left, your right, your center, whatever. I've said so many times
this manipulative force couldn't care less what you believe so long as you believe it rigidly and
without question. So you've got and what you must have to do this is you must have many different
beliefs that people believe rigidly. Because then, first of all, your belief, becomes like a
prison. It becomes like a prison cell for your mind. Because you will not go outside the walls of
your belief into those areas of potential insight, possibility, knowing, awareness, discovery. You
won't go there if it's outside of your belief system... You won't go there. So if you're in a
religion, then, if you go there beyond the walls of the religion, you're said to be dabbling in
the occult. It's the devil. And if you are a follower of orthodox science then you have your
rigid belief system as well. And anything beyond it you are a pseudo scientist or dabbling in
the paranormal. And so orthodox science and religion work exactly the same way. They have a
belief system. You can't go beyond it. Otherwise, you're no longer part of the group belief system.
Now, once you've got that, you're holding people's perception of reality in a in a prison cell,
you have the perfect environment to divide and rule the target population and play them off
against each other. So, you play Christianity off against Islam. You play Christianity and Judaism
off against Islam, which is what's going on in Iran now. And all the way through... what we call
human history or what appears to be human history, you have this dynamic of different belief systems
being played off against each other. In the political arena, you have left played off against
right. So that basically if you're of the right, then the left is all bad because they're the
enemy. And if you're on the left, then the right is all bad because they're the enemy. And
you know, you're seeing it now, not least in, you know, Islam's the enemy and Christianity is
the following the true God and they're, you know, the people who are following the wrong God. And...
it's perfect for divide and rule. And so what you're doing is you are creating an environment in
which the target population, which in unity would bring you down overnight if they knew you existed,
you are playing them off and setting them at war with each other. And that's how a few can control
the many, because if people just stopped whatever they call themselves, if they... just stop, stop,
just stop! Just a minute. Stop. Quiet. How is it that you're my enemy, but the strings attached
to you and the strings attached to me are held by the same hand. How can that be? Well, how it
can be is that's how the few control the many and always have. The classic Illuminati global cult
symbol of the pyramid and all seeing eye which is on the dollar bill and it's on the reverse of the
great seal of the United States. You see, it so, so often. You look at that pyramid structure,
that hierarchy, and at the top is the all seeing eye and the all seeing eye is... is this other
dimensional force and it's running the pyramid. And this other dimensional force ultimately
is a state of extreme psychopathic, chaotic, distorted, schismatic consciousness. And what it
does is it controls the pyramid by infiltrating the awareness consciousness of its players,
of its assets of those that are imposing its will. And therefore, as you come down from this
other dimensional level into the global cult, you see people that are expressing exactly that
state of consciousness in the human world. So, I mean, you look at things... things that I've
been researching for decades like the satanic ritual network which underpins this cult; the
pedophilia network which interconnects with the Satanist network and underpins this cult. You look
at the Epstein files and what's come out there. You look at Jimmy Savile, the BBC entertainer, who
was a procurer of children for the rich and famous as well as being a mega pedophile. All, it's
all come out in Britain and he was extremely, extremely right at the heart of the British royal
family. Jimmy Savile, this disc jockey as he was, just played records on the BBC. And he's invited
into the inner core of the British royal family, and he was allowed to do his mega pedophilia
right up to his his death in 2011 while being at the heart of the British royal family. I
mean it's an extraordinary story but this is the mentality that is directing the direction of
the world. So this consciousness, this fake god consciousness is psychopathic. Well, psychopathic
doesn't really cut it. I mean it is super, super psychopathic... And if you look at the
definitions of a psychopath, right up there are a deletion of empathy and a deletion of compassion.
You have no empathy, you have no compassion. And I call empathy the failsafe mechanism of human
behavior. Because if you can put yourself in the feelings of that which you're affecting,
those which you're affecting, then it will change the way you treat them. But if you have no
empathy, you don't have the ability to have those feelings and this consciousness doesn't, then
there are no limits anymore. There are no limits to what you will do. There's no horror that you
won't perform... and be involved in. And that's the... what the inner core of this cult is like
and that's what this other dimensional force is like. And that's why... the world is as it is.
It wants people in all these low vibrational states. Thank you. I I agree with you totally
on that. Of course. Here is my third question. In your book, you refer to Christian zionists.
Yeah. This subject is still unfamiliar to many people, especially in Italy. So, could you kindly
explain what Christian Zionism is, its role today, and why it is so crucial to you and and to your
work? Well, we're now entering your domain, big time. You know you have a Bible that has an
Old Testament and a New Testament. And because it is said to be the word of God somehow there
has to be a acceptance that the Old Testament and the New Testament are... the the New Testament
is an extension of the Old Testament. And it's the word of God. And because it's the word of God and
God... God can't be wrong, then somehow you have to explain to yourself the massive contradictions.
You know, I'm I'm not saying the Bible has nothing nothing relevant to say. I think it there's
some great lines in it, but there's also some absolutely grotesque stuff in it, not least
in the... in the Old Testament. So, you have the belief and the lifelong indoctrination into
Jewish people that they are God's chosen people. Why? Because the Old Testament says so. And
there's a covenant with God. I'm now seeing Roman Catholic spokespeople saying: "No, no,
no, no. That that covenant was lost. You know, the God ended that covenant. The covenant now is
with us. We're now the chosen people." It's like: why do you have to be chosen people? Why can't
we all just get on? What's what are you doing? But they're chosen people. Now, the point
being that you had the creation of Israel, which I document in great detail in a number of
my books. It's quite a story and it relates to the Rothschilds massively. And so you have this tiny
country in the Middle East called Israel. And that which runs Israel, which actually is pseudo-Jewish
rather than Jewish, is extremely small in number, but is also at government level and secret
society level and Mossad level and military level. It's also like the point of the spear, the
point of the arrow in so many ways of this cult. So, if you look at why the Rothschilds brought
about modern Israel, well, you are looking at it, you are seeing it — and you have seen
it ever since 1948, in fact even before, in the way the Palestinians were forced off
their own land in their hundreds of thousands, in terror at what was being done to them. And
the Rothschilds put that country Israel based on the Old Testament, written by who knows who,
who knows when, in who knows what circumstances, because it was going to create mayhem in the
Middle East. It was going to create this vortex of conflict. I mean, if you're talking about
producing low vibrational emotional energy, I mean, well, you know, Israel is the home of
it really in terms of of its actions and and and its effect on on the world. However, if you then
look at the number of Jewish people in the world, even, you know, officially Jewish according
to Jewish sources, it's something like 17 million 15-17 million. Well, that's ridiculous.
There there's 8 billion people in the world. How can you have such an impact when you're only
17 million? So what's necessary is another vast number of people, need to be pulled into support
the agenda, not of the 17 million because many Jewish people oppose all this stuff, but the inner
core of the 17 million that are driving this. Netanyahu is a classic. And so because you have an
Old Testament and a New Testament, to a new belief or you're told to believe that you must take them
as one unit, then the Christian belief system of the New Testament has to accept the Old Testament
because both are the word of God, apparently. And so Jewish people have a covenant not only with
God but with that land, the promised land. So suddenly what you've done is you've generated
support from massive numbers of Christians, not least in America, for the agenda of this inner
core of what runs Israel. And the ones that are most vehement in that are Christian Zionists.
They're the Christians who believe not just in the New Testament but the Old Testament and that
Israel is God's chosen people. And you know, you look at Ted Cruz, the American politician who says
that he supports Israel, right or wrong, because the Bible says that if you don't support Israel,
then God will look very unkindly on you. This is the mentality of the Christian Zionists. And then
what you find, when you do the research, is that Israeli sources, sources that go back to Israel,
dominate the Christian Zionist movement. Just as organisations like AIPAC, a foreign entity
that represents Israel in the United States, massively fund the great majority of American
politicians, Democrat and Republican. So, you now have the Christian Zionists in America
supporting Israel's action in bombing Iran. They support Israel's action in bombing Lebanon. They
supported their action in bombing Gaza because they are biblically programmed to believe that
they must support Israel right or wrong. And so I it's basically numbers. If you look at the number
of Christians in the world it's massive, massive. And if you can gather a great number of them
to support your agenda, it doesn't matter that you're only 17 million. You've got a great wave
of support for what you are seeking to do. This is why Benjamin Netanyahu is also always quoting the
Bible, quoting the vicious, bloodthirsty Yahweh of the Bible when he's talking about bombing
people. I mean, it's extraordinary. And you know, this whole thing - we talk about religion - this
whole thing of the Bible treated as an historical document. Now here and there there will be
historical events that it will connect with but I mean: where's the evidence that any of this stuff
ever happened and not least the Old Testament stuff. But once you are believing in the Bible
story, the Bible suddenly becomes an historical document rather than something to add to the mix
of possibility becomes an historical document. And... and therefore, if you don't believe
what's in the Bible, then you you're dismissed by Christians. you're dismissed by Jewish people
because you you've gone outside of the what they believe. And uh it's um it's something that is so
fundamental to to human control. I mean, you know, I'm looking all the time now, especially with the
Iran war going on, at the biblical the literal biblical endorsement of what's happening in Iran
on the basis of well, it this is in the Bible. And you know, it's like um I I mentioned you've
got the the Jewish perspective that um they're God's chosen people. You've got more and more of
these these Roman Catholic spokespeople saying, "No, no, that that covenant with with God was
was was ended. Now, now it's it's the people that that believe in Christianity that are now the
the chosen people." They they are arguing over the interpretation of the Bible as if the Bible is a
historical document that must be obeyed whatever. And you can see the... the kind of the mess and
the... You know, I I've described human society a long time ago as like putting 50 balls of wool in
a very little room, putting 50 kittens in there, shutting the door, coming back two hours later
and someone saying: "Oh, sort that lot out." It's unbelievable the... the interacting
nonsense that drives human perception and leads to human control. Thank you. That makes
a lot of sense, of course. My last question is this, at this point is an unavoidable question: Do
you think that it is actually possible for human beings to step outside or even to escape what
you describe as the simulation and now might uh that process begin? Well, yes. In the end,
it's all about frequency. Because this simulation, this matrix is a band of frequency. Actually, it's
a multi-dimensional band of frequency, which is where this other controlling force is basically
manipulating from. And if you are yourself within that band of frequency, the matrix, you're in the
matrix and you're off the matrix. And therefore, all your information from which you're forming
your perceptions is coming from the matrix. And if that situation continues, then how is anyone going
to break out of it? Because all the information they're receiving is giving them a perception
and a self-identity that is completely fake and is designed to keep you in a low vibrational
state. Not least because they feed off that, but also because it keeps you in the matrix. It keeps
you in the vibrational walls of the matrix. When we have a perception — not least a self-identity,
but a perception of reality — that is myopic, that identifies, for instance, with being someone
working on the checkout in the supermarket: That’s all I am. I just work on the checkout.
I’ve got no power. Oh, no. I just drive a bus. That's all I do. I'm a bus driver. That's
all I am. That self-identity, energetically, in terms of the perceptual energy that that
state of self-identity creates, mirrors your self-identity in this way. If you see yourself as
little me, I've got no power. I'm either subject to some judgmental god or I'm subject to authority
in some form and I've got no power and they tell me what to think because I, you know, I'm not very
bright. They're obviously very bright. They're an academic. They're a scientist. They must know what
they're talking about. If you're in that state of being, then you are accessing a tiny fraction
of your infinite self. Tiny fraction. In fact, you know, probably very tiny bit of it at most.
But if you go through a process of complete transformation of your self-identity from "I am
little me, I have no power. I'm just a human". Or "I am subject to some judgmental god and I have to
do what I'm told and please him." If you go from that which will access a fraction of your infinite
self, you go to "I am all that is, has been, and ever can be having a brief human experience
and I am an expression of infinity, infinite consciousness. And ultimately if I awaken enough
I am that, I become that infinite consciousness." Then as your self-identity expands from little
me to infinite me, not as a concept but as a being that you live. Suddenly your energetic
field expands and as it expands its frequency um gets faster and faster and faster and faster
to the point where it leaves the matrix. You might still be in the matrix physically, with the
biological computer, but you are now tapping in to that infinity beyond the walls, the vibrational
walls of the matrix. Suddenly you're now in the matrix, but you're not of the matrix because
you're seeing everything, not from the perspective of the matrix, but from the perspective of
infinite awareness beyond the matrix. And suddenly everywhere looks completely different. It looks
a completely different world. Suddenly you can see how the manipulation works. You can see who's
doing it. You can see how we're being perceptually manipulated to be suppressed and subordinate. You
can see it all, which you couldn't see before. And this is why so many people have said to me
over the years: honestly, mate, it's so obvious. I can see it now. Why couldn't I see it before?
Because you were there before. Now you're there. Now you can see it because you're tapping into
that level of awareness of insight of knowing that is beyond the walls of the matrix. And that's
what they don't want us to do. That's why they're always suppressing us. They're telling us that um
we're just a human or at best we are subordinate to a judgmental god. Just want to say something
about that in a second. And they're looking now for the ultimate control system that stops you
doing that and that's AI human fusion. They want to fuse AI with the human brain. They're openly
talking about it, openly talking about it now. And they're talking about, you know, the period
of 2030 for it to be happening because they want to replace humans, the human mind, with artificial
intelligence. So artificial intelligence becomes the human mind at which point it will never go
through these thought processes and emotional processes of: who am I? what is this place?
Who's running the world? To what end? Those thoughts will obviously not manifest with an
AI that this manipulative force controls. And so that's the endgame if you like: to stop this
happening. But consciousness can overcome anything so long as it's in its power and in its pump
and not suppressed and separated from the human entity which is what the whole deal is all about.
And I I would just say this on religion as well: one of the people who has talked about this force
feeding off human energy, low vibrational energy, is a man called Robert Monroe. He's left us now,
but he was a radio executive, a very successful one it seems. And suddenly he spontaneously
started to find himself being projected, his consciousness being projected into this
astral dimension where these entities are. And um worked at, he wrote a number of books about it
of what he experienced and and how you can do it. And the American military got very interested
in this and they did a study called "the gateway study." It was, the gateway, was a name that he
gave to the process that he taught people - Robert Monroe - which was basically something he
called Hemi-Sync, which is synchronization of both hemispheres of the brain, allows you to
go into the project your consciousness into the astral. So they got together this US military
psychological department, a number of people who could astrally project. And they did this
study. And Monroe was the person who gave the name "loosh" to this low vibrational energy which he
said he learned in the astral dimension the these entities were feeding off. And funnily enough,
when they did this gateway study, the US military, they found that their participants were coming
across in the astral dimension so many reptilian entities that they gave them the collective name
in the study of "the alligators." Oh, so and so's seen another alligator. And what I've been
saying over the years is that this is where these non-human entities basically operate from. They
operate in our reality as well, but overwhelmingly they're in this astral dimension. Now, this thing
about “loosh” — when you look at the way it plays out — the kind of “loosh”, that low-vibrational
energy that they absorb, takes the form, yes, of fear and all those other low-vibrational
emotions I’ve talked about, but it also takes the form of worship. And, funnily enough,
the reptilian brain also relates to worship, the need to worship. And so this is my... this is
what I concluded. Anyway. If you're in a religion, you have the concept of the devil or Satan or
Shaytan in Islam and whatever the old Sabaoth in the Gnostic belief system. And that is a low
vibrational state absorbing your “loosh” if you like. But what if you have a religious concept
of God good and the devil bad, but actually in the worship of the perceived God, you are also feeding
the beast. And what if the beast was in the guise of God and in the guise of the devil, Satan,
whatever. And that actually it's the same entity, the same consciousness. And whether you are
worshiping God, bowing and bending the knee, or you're opposing Satan or fear of Satan or
whatever, you're feeding the same beast. It's just under a different guise. And what if, if you
want to call it God, the real infinite entity... the the real infinite consciousness, that people
can call God if they like, it doesn't matter, just a name, is actually outside the matrix. And what
we've been manipulated to do is to fear the devil and worship God when it's the same consciousness,
the matrix consciousness, the matrix creating consciousness that we are giving our energy to,
either way. And I think that's what's going on. So I that's why I say religion is a foundation,
the very, very foundation of of human control. That is a very, very important point. Now I am
passing the microphone to Elisabetta if you like. She's a lifelong admirer of yours. Oh nice. Thank
you Maro and thank you David. Many friends of the channel would like to ask you about the Epstein
files. You have already written a great deal in your latest book and I would still like to ask
you what you think is really behind their last release and also about your view on the architects
of this blackmail system. Thank you. Yeah. Well, the structure is very interesting because it means
that, right the way through the system, basically, people are kept in the dark, even if they are
quite well immersed in the system. They're kept in the dark of what's actually going on. So, I
mean, I've met cabinet ministers in the British government from time to time and they're
absolutely bloody clueless. They have no idea what's happening, because they're just...
they're just here today, gone tomorrow people, and that's it. They're being run by the the people
who are always there, the so-called civil service and what have you. So, the structure is like this.
If you look at the world and you see a gigantic spider's web all around it and in the center of
the spider's web is the spider. Now, that spider is in this other dimension. It's in this astral
dimension and it's driving events in this human realm band of frequency to generate maximum
loosh. But so, then in those strands of the web immediately around the spider, there you have
the inner core of the the global cult operating in our dimension and interacting with that other
dimension, not least through satanic rituals etc. And they will be people in those... those strands
in the web. And every strand is either a secret society, a semi-secret group or a a government, a
government agency, Silicon Valley, whatever. And so that immediately around the spider, the inner
core of the global cult, they will know the big story. They will know what's going on, they'll
know why. Maybe one or two things kept from them by that. And then you come out from that inner
core where they are secret societies but almost no one will ever heard of them. In fact, many of
them don't have names. Makes them harder to track. And you come out from the spider and now you're
entering the realm of the secret societies we do know about. The Freemasons, Opus Day, the inner
core of the Jesuit Order, the Knights of Malta, the Knights Templar, on and on and on it goes.
There's so many of them. And they are fiercely compartmentalized. So that in the Freemasons,
for instance, there's 33 degrees of the Scottish right of Freemasonry, and the vast majority
of Freemasons are on the bottom three levels of degree, so-called blue degrees. They will not
know what the Freemason network is there to do. Only the few at the top will know that. So it's
fiercely compartmentalized. I mean you had the P2 in Italy which came to light towards the end of
the 70s. And that was a a fantastic um example where they found that this guy Licio Gelli, who
was running it on behalf of a much wider global web, he broke up the P2 Freemasonry lodge into
sections and each section had a a person running that section and each person running the section
only knew the people in in their section, in his section. The only people that knew everybody in
all the sections was Licio Gelli and the immediate little entourage around him. And so you had people
who were interacting with each other in politics, in military, in journalism, in corporate world,
etc. who were all members of P2, but they didn't know because they were in different sections. This
this is how this compartmentalization works. So you then... and what's happening is the agenda
that's being driven by the spider, the other dimensional force, is coming out through the
hidden the secret society level. It's coming out and it's heading towards the mainstream society.
And what you do in the end is you reach what I call "the cusp of the web". And that's where
the hidden part of the web meets the seen part of the web. And that's where this cusp is. And
there you'll have the World Economic Forum, the Bilderberg Group, the Council on Foreign Relations
in America, the United Nations is part of that. You have the club of Rome which was created in
1968 to use environmental concerns to justify centralization of power. And also, in this cusp,
you have all these non-governmental organisations, NGOs, and think tanks. And the job of the cusp
is to take the agenda coming out from the spider and play it out into mainstream society,
through governments and government agencies and corporations etc., in the form of changes in
society which drive the direction of the world to greater and greater dystopia. And so when you come
out into the world of the scene to the public, it seems to be just random organizations
and random events, but actually it's very, very coordinated through the web. That's how the
structure works. And, you know, the the thing is that once once you start to realize that all these
apparently random and desperate and unconnected governments, organizations, government agencies
and so on are actually connected if at the web level then the whole world suddenly makes
sense about why they do certain things and um and how the whole thing plays out. Thank
you David. A real pleasure. Thank you very much. It has been a a real honor and a privilege,
I would say, to speak with you. I'm sure we could continue this conversation for a very long time.
Yes. And I know our audience would have many many more questions to you as well. But for now, thank
you very, very much for your time and I truly hope to see you again. Yes, that would be great. Lovely
to see you. Lovely to talk to you. Bye. See you. Bye, dear friends. Thank you all for being with
us. Please stay tuned and see you again soon.