Raw Transcript: Whitney Webb on Epstein & Intelligence Filmed 2020

So many people have requested a collaboration with Whitney Webb. Her series went viral last year. Much more about Epstein than the shallow headlines that we've been seeing in the news. I mean, Whitney has gone deep into the history of intelligence agencies, honey traps, all of the various ties from the Clinton family to her latest work about Bloomberg. So, before we get into the questions here, Whitney, thanks for coming on and could you just tell the people watching this who you are and how you came into the Epstein case, please? Um, all right. So, my name is Whitney Webb. I have been writing with Mint Press News for about three years. Um, and that is where this uh series ended up being published. Um, I got into uh writing about the Epstein scandal quite by accident. I only really had my uh decided to investigate it for myself when it came out that um Epstein had been or or Alex Aosta who used to um you know work in the Trump administration when he was being interviewed by the Trump transition team uh told stated that his reason for you know signing off on Epstein's sweetheart deal in 2008 was because Epste had belonged to intelligence. So when that came out, I was really interested in seeing if I could find out, you know, what intelligence agency that was um and the nature of of how that uh relationship began and things like that. And what I found is that this is something that did not really start with Epste. It goes much farther back. Um and and there's a lot of um you know, ties between Epstein to previous sexual blackmail operations that really date back, you know, going back to the prohibition era. um because this is a tactic that was um really um perfected in the US by the the American mafia who later got in bed with intelligence and that nexus is essentially what gave rise to Jeffrey Epstein which is you know probably like the shortest summary I can give of the whole series I did which was a a four-part series with with a couple spin-offs. Well, there's so many questions and people have watched all of this the various videos that I put up um over the months as well and just looking at at stuff that would be the most novel I think for my viewers. I just read what you've put up about Bloomberg. Shall we start with the relationship between Bloomberg and Epstein and his associates? >> Um, sure if you'd like. That is my most recent uh Epstein related article and I think it's really relevant because Michael Bloomberg of course is seeking the presidency now um as part of the Democratic party and oddly enough even though he has you know pictures of Golain Maxwell he was in Epstein's book of context where Epste had at least five different numbers and a couple addresses for Bloomberg there has been no questioning um of Bloomberg on those ties which I think is really troubling um and and a very damning indictment of mainstream media um especially Because, you know, when the Epstein scandal first broke, there was lots of, you know, even in the mainstream and alternative media as well, speculation about his ties to the Clintons, his ties to Trump, and really anyone that was seen as having very close ties with Epste, you know, they automatically almost became radioactive as it were. And, you know, several months after, not actually not that long after the fact, you know, um, you know, the the he Epstein was arrested in July. Uh, Bloomberg announced his candidacy in November of last year. Um there has been no interest apparently um in American mainstream media in asking Bloomberg about th those ties and oddly enough in rival campaigns uh for for the presidency in the US that have sought to throw shade on Bloomberg and criticize him for various things. They have also declined uh to pursue this which I think is quite troubling. Um, another of of those ties that I think is also significant um would be Bloomberg's ties to Leslie Wexner, who of course was um, you know, a very close associate and, you know, the source of a large amount, if not the majority of Epstein's so-called fortune. Um, Bloomberg um, was known to have socialized and attended parties at Wexner's homes on more than one occasion. Of course, we know from Epstein accusers that um Wexner's homes on occasion were used by Epstein and his nefarious for his nefarious ends. Um and of course, there's been no interest in that. And also um you know, Wexner was one of these figures that was pressured in the wake of the Epstein scandal uh to to recuse himself from public life, not unlike what happened to Prince Andrew and some other uh close Epstein associates. And that is why uh Wexner was pushing really to sell and and leave his position as CEO of his company, the Limited or Limited Brands. And it was actually a Bloomberg backed um private equity firm that took over that company recently. Sycamore Partners bought the controlling stake from Wexner, allowing him to step uh out of his role in the company with a hefty payout. I forget the exact sum but that um that firm has you know over a hundred million uh dollars of Bloomberg's money in it. So I think that connection was also glossed over and that's why Bloomberg um you know is is attending you know Democratic debates and very much um you know a a relevant figure in US politics but he hasn't been questioned on these ties at all. Um which I think is really significant. And I also in the article go over a couple of other ties that Bloommer has to people that were also connected to Jeffrey Epstein in various uh forms including uh Mort Zuckerman who's a media executive who bought for example uh the New York Daily News after Robert Maxwell's death. Maxwell was the previous owner and also had close ties with Jeffrey Epstein. Uh was a former uh I believe business partner of his um and also attended dinners at his home and is a longtime supporter and backer of Michael Bloomberg who not unlike Mort Zuckermanman is also a New York media executive. >> Okay. So, you've raised so many um questions there. I'd just like to start out by saying that the toxicity continues on this side of the pond. They're trying to kick out the boss of Barclay's Bank right now over here. And also in my lifetime, I've never ever seen the career of a member of the royal family meltdown like has happened to Prince Andrew and deservedly so. So in the eyes of the public, the tabloids, there is a trafficking conspiracy that has Epstein at the top and then Galain Maxwell, John Luprenell, etc. But you've said that what Epstein was doing was part of a much bigger picture of intelligence agency honey traps which have been going on for decades. So in the grand conspiracy then bigger than the tabloid conspiracy where does Wexner fit into that was he above Epstein? Oh yeah I definitely think so. I think Epstein was really um more of a front man for interest that Wexner is is closely associ associated with and represents. Um, but going back into the the history, um, I'm trying to think of where the best place to start with Wexner, but basically um, we know that Wexner, um, had ties with organized crime as early as the early 1980s. Um, his relationship with Epstein. It's not exactly clear when it began because both Wexetner and Epste were asked about the date that they met. Um, over the years, both gave different responses. Each one of them saying, you know, depending on who was interviewing them would give a different year at any given time. So the range goes from 1985 to 1989 with you know 1987 also being thrown out there. So it's not exactly clear when they uh met exactly but um it appears I my guess would be that it was 1985 based on um my research and some of the sources that I've cited and um in my series and subsequent articles. And this is because in 1985 Leslie Wexner um was implicated in the murder of his lawyer Arthur Shapiro and police a police report from that time period uh directly linked uh Leslie Wexner to organize crime interests specifically the Genevese crime family which is one of the main uh factions of the National Crime Syndicate to which um numerous other um families in the so-called mega group that I talk about in my series that Webexner co-founded with uh with Charles Bronman. They all have ties to the same national crime syndicate either through their families or through their own business um business relations. So Wexner is one of those individuals um uh having co-founded the the mega group and but before then with Epstein he was involved he and Epstein together um were involved in a lot of shady real estate deals in New York. Um this was also at the time when Epstein um had met and begun to associate publicly um with other figures in the New York real estate uh circle. I guess you could say this includes Donald Trump. This includes Tom uh Bareric of Colony Capital who was continues to be a close associate of of Trump. Um and going forward um by the time the the '9s had really begun um Wexner and Epstein were incredibly close. We epste exercised incredible amount of control over Wexner's finances, had power of attorney, had the right to hire and fire people at Wexner's enterprises. And it was at that point that Wexner and Epstein together oversaw the relocation of the CIA front company, Southern Air Transport, that was involved in the Iran Contra scandal, uh, from its previous base in Miami, Florida to Columbus, Ohio, presumably to run cargo for the, uh, Limited, which at the time was the nation's largest retailer. Um, but of course there were figures in Ohio's government that speculated that Epstein and Wexner, because this was well known to the public actually to be a CIA front company because of reporting on the Iran Contra scandal, these officials uh speculated um and and had apparently strong reason to believe that um Epstein and Wexner were both working with the CIA in some capacity and were smuggling um for for interests that related to both the CIA and organized crime, leading Ohio's inspector general at the time to refer to that cargo run for the limited that southern air transport relocated to do. He referred to that as the mayor Lansky run. Uh you know a reference to the famous Jewish American mobster who was really the head of the national crime syndicate that I just mentioned. So um this national crime syndicate has close ties both to US intelligence and Israeli intelligence um and and is sort of I would call like a transnational crime syndicate. And I think honestly that Epstein um even though he had ties to both um intelligence agencies was really working more for them because they have transnational interests that at times jive better with perhaps Israel's current government than the US's current government but they um these you know uh billionaires that are behind this group um you know have their own agenda and occasionally uh the governments to which they're closely tied will deviate from that at which at which point someone like Epstein um could use blackmail to keep them in line with the so-called mega groups um agenda. So that's my personal take on it. Um though it has been uh substantial evidence has grown uh since I last uh or or come come out since I published my or finished publishing my series in August that the sexual blackmail um operation in particular was most closely tied to Israeli military intelligence. Uh this comes from a couple sources including uh most recently the the most person who most recently came out and said this was Steve Hoffenberg who was um Epstein's former business partner at Tower Financial which was this huge Ponzi scheme basically that they together started 199 1987 it collapsed in 1993 only Hoffenberg was charged even though Epstein was the architect of the scheme because his name was later dropped from the case not unlike what happened with his sweetheart deal so you know he clearly had friends in high places way back then. This sexual the sexual blackmail operation is believed to have begun around 1993 and 1995. Um and but you know well before then as I just sort of laid out there were ties to intelligence that were um ongoing and even during the uh later on in in his life Epstein would claim that during the 1980s that he worked directly with the CIA. we know he had ties to people or was um working on behalf of people like Adnan Kosogi, the famous or infamous rather uh Saudi arms dealer who had ties to both Saudi, US and Israeli intelligence. Um so, you know, I think Epstein honestly was more of sort of like a mercenary I guess you could say in the world of intelligence doing things like sexual blackmail, um financial crimes and things of that nature. um and was really, you know, sort of um I guess a frontman for this sort of um mafia type enterprise, the mega group that hides behind this mask of philanthropy. They call themselves philanthropists, but they all have deep ties to organized crime. >> Like Gain Maxwell, we're going to have young people save the oceans. So you you you've mentioned there about sovereign transport. So I wrote a book on Barry Seal and he was flying loads in of cocaine into America for the CIA, weapons out, financing the war, you know, going down to Nicaragua. And through that research, it brought me to the Clinton crime family and I learned there's a place where organized crime and the intelligence agencies and the political mafia coexist. So, it seems that >> we're on like we've been on separate um journeys, but we've reached the same same destination. You've mentioned the mega group several times. For people who are not familiar with all this terminology, could you just expand on what the mega group is? >> Um the mega group is this group of so-called philanthropist uh billionaires who which was founded by Leslie Wexner and Charles Bronin in 1991. Um, it has, um, I, its membership roster isn't public. Um, but there was a Wall Street Journal article that was the first, uh, public reveal, I guess you could say, of the group's existence. This was published, I believe, in either 1998 or 1999. Um, and the group was founded in 1991, and they were referred to as the Mega Group. Um, uh, or the study group. They had a couple different nicknames, but, I guess mega group is the name that stuck because they're these so-called mega billionaires. Um, and what these guys all have in common is that they um, you know, are nominally American, but they also all have an extreme zealous support for the state of Israel. Um, and nearly all of them have direct ties to organized crime, uh, either through their families or, you know, by virtue of of their actions and business interests. Um, I mentioned Leslie Wexner a little bit being named by um, you know, uh, Ohio's police as an affiliate to the National Crime Syndicate. The Bronman family has its ties to the National Crime Syndicate going back uh, to when that crime syndicate was founded. Actually, it predates the founding of that crime syndicate. Anyway, the Bronman family's ties. It goes back to Canadian uh, the prohibition era in Canada, which preceded the US's own prohibition. Um, you have other figures like Michael Steinhart, who is also uh very close to Michael Bloomberg, who we were just talking about. Um, and he, uh, Michael Michael Steinhart's father was actually, uh, Mayor Lansky's jewel fence and was a major player in the New York criminal underworld and was actually the person that jumpstarted his son's uh, Wall Street career. Michael Steinhart is a well-known hedge fund manager and has recently made headlines because of the numerous amount of women accusing him of sexual harassment and um very uh deplorable behavior. Um, another figure that's tied to organized crime would be Max Fischer, who is not alive anymore, but used to be a major political operative, an adviser uh to Henry Kissinger and Nixon. Um, and who was also, I believe, the founder of the Republican Jewish Coalition, which is basically the one of the main uh funding sources for the for neoconservative uh political candidates. Uh today it's dominated by Sheldon Adlesen um and Paul Singer, but it used to be, you know, Leslie Wexner used to be a major player there as well, as well as some other uh members of the mega group. Max Fischer used to be um used to associate with the the Detroit uh Detroit Purple Gang, which was another sort of um faction of the National Crime Syndicate, a Jewish American mob uh based in the area where he grew up in Detroit, Michigan. Um and you know, there's there's several more. Steven Spielberg even for example who's part of this mega group. He's a protege of Lou Wasserman uh who was um you know a protege himself of Mo Dallas who is this well-known Jewish American uh mobster uh based in Ohio who was named by uh the FBI and the precursor to the DEA um of being basically second in command or you know a number two type ranking figure in in Mayor Lansky's criminal empire which really is the National Crime Syndicate. um the National Crime Syndicate, which I've mentioned a lot, that was founded sort of between by Charles Luciano in and Mayor Lansky in the 1920s and sort of brought the Jewish mob and American mob together. But at a certain point during World War II when that um syndicate first got in bed with US intelligence, um Luchiano was deported to Italy and basically Lansky took over the whole operation and and basically uh dominated it. So he is a you know Lansky is a really key figure in how this developed. And of course these uh figures themselves u were very involved in sexual blackmail operations uh well preceding their union with US intelligence and they actually um helped the CIA or the precursor to the CIA, the OSS blackmail um the the longtime director of the FBI Joover among numerous other politicians and military officials. Um but I didn't want to get too far off of that. But basically, the Mega Group is um sort of an outgrow outgrowth of that same syndicate that has long-standing ties to um US and Israeli intelligence. But um they're also major political donors, as I mentioned, the Republican Jewish Coalition. They're major political donors, not just in the US, but also in the state of Israel. A lot of members of the mega group, including Ronald Lauder, who's a close friend of Trump and was also um a close friend of his pro of his mentor, um Roy Conn. uh he was one of the main backers of the Liku party and uh oversaw uh Netanyahu's first uh victory victorious campaign as a prime minister of Israel in 1996 um and was largely credited with that campaign being successful which was really um you know Netanyahu was the underdog there and uh Lauder through his large financial backing of that campaign and also connecting him with Arthur Finkelstein this uh Republican political uh operative in the US who's quite controversial um that was basically credited with Netanyahu winning that that campaign. So he is very you know they have close ties to both governments and both intelligence agencies. Um and that's sort of where the more you look at this group that starts to really seem like the center point of this whole web uh in which you know Epstein was that that Epstein was a part of. So, a lot of people were baffled when it came out that Epstein was courting all these heads of technology and reading what you've been researching and writing about. The power is in tech and the intelligence agencies are permeating themselves um in in the fields of tech to get that power. You mentioned on a recent article about Twitter and how in particular um is Israel is putting people in these positions in these technology companies to get that information and get that power. Could you expand on that please? >> Yeah, sure. So, this is something that both US and Israeli intelligence have been doing for several decades. Um, a a good place to start, I guess, would be the 1980s with the promise software scandal, which involved both US and Israeli intelligence, the installing of a backdoor into this software that was stolen from the company that created it. Um, and then was basically marketed all over the world by people including Robert Maxwell. Um, and then that allowed both the US and Israeli intelligence through separate back doors to have access to all the databases where that software was installed. Promise was just the first of many such companies that have been doing that for a very long time. There was recently um an expose I believe published in the Washington Post about how um a cryptography company based in Switzerland that was very uh widely used and respected was actually secretly owned by the CIA and that a lot of um you know that same software had a had a trap door not unlike what had taken place uh several years prior with the promise software. But increasingly even though both US and Israel in the past like in promise have collaborated to do that type of activity, there are also situations where Israel has done um Israeli intelligence has basically use that same approach but in targeting the US rather aggressively. Um leaked NSA documents have revealed that the NSA considered Israel to be the third most aggressive spy agency targeting the US behind Russia and China. that would put Israel ahead of countries like Iran and North Korea, which is quite um significant. So anyway, um after September 11th, there were a series of reports in Fox News by um Carl Cameron who uh basically revealed that there were several companies, Israeli companies, um software companies and tech companies and telecommunications companies that were very involved in basically providing back doors to sensitive US communications to Israel's government. Um, and we also know that one of those companies, Amdoc, was involved in basically the wiretapping of the White House, which is how Netanyahu uh acquired tapes of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky basically having phone sex and attempted to use that as leverage over Clinton. And that apparently um was a factor in Clinton deciding to pardon Mark Rich uh who is the founder of Glen Core and was a fugitive for a very long time and controver controversially pardoned Clinton's last days um in office. So this same operation, you know, there's promise and there's all this going on in the '9s up until after the after 9/11. In the post 911 era, um this really um I would say exploded um because in the era uh of post 911 America, there's been a push to sort of digitize um counterterrorism efforts. A lot of those software, the software used for that have had ties to, uh, the Maxwell family, uh, including one that that was used by the FBI and several other agencies after 9/11. And, uh, you know, this continues up until today. Um there's a company that I wrote about recently called Cyber Reason that is um basically run by the former uh head of offensive nation state hacking operations for Israeli military intelligence who who views his work at Cyber Reason he says himself as a continuation of his work at Israeli military intelligence and they have been installed their software has been installed it's an anti virus software it's basically been installed on networks for uh the DISA the CIA and the NSA um and several other sensitive uh networks for the US Army and the US Navy. Um and uh technology experts quoted in in numerous articles have have noted that anti virus specifically gets access to um endpoints of of you know the entire system not just the computer itself but the networks it's connected to in order to protect the software and is the quote unquote ultimate back door as one of them said uh into into these networks. So this type of stuff continues. Um a lot of it is pushed through really actively by the Israel lobby which includes um organizations funded by these mega group donors um and also um you know other other lobby groups and it has really been to the benefit of the state of Israel all of that. And it's um you know Epstein even was involved in one of these companies. he was funding one called Carbine 911 uh which is basically um an Israeli uh military intelligence uh linked company that gets installed in all the emergency call software um or like the the infrastructure for 911 emergency calls in the United States. Um, and then, uh, what that software does is that when you call 911 from your phone, it gets access to literally everything on your phone and then stores it and then uses, um, algorithms to predict, um, your future behavior and future crime and pre-rime and like all this other uh, very Orwelian stuff. Um and of course this company uh not only did Absene invest in it, Peter Theal of um PayPal and Palanteer fame who's very close to the Trump administration also has ties to Israel also invested in that. And the chairman of the board and one of the other main investors is Ahoud Barack who we know had very close ties to Jeffrey Epstein is not just the former prime minister of Israel but the former head of Israeli military intelligence. Um at the time that Epstein was allegedly recruited to work for them in the 1980s. Um so that's pretty significant. He was a frequent visitor not only to Epstein's island but also spent the night at apartments that ep where Epste kept a lot of his um you know sex slaves basically um that was owned by Epstein's brother Mark Epstein and Akud Barack has somehow evaded not unlike many other figures connected to this scandal um a lot of political scrutiny he sort of got some uh mudsling mud thrown at him by Netanyahu when he tried to run in a recent Israeli election and then he sort of stepped back and decided not to run but beyond that there hasn't been any push for accountability from Ahood Barack and this company um that I just mentioned that was funded by people like Epstein directly and uh you know backed by Ahood Barack who's chairman of its board um there have they're still installed on sever in on the 911 software in several counties in the US with plans to expand. So you know that's where uh that is at this current point in time. The fact that Epstein would be interested in backing something like this is significant, but it's part of a broader policy push by Israel's government and some of these, you know, mega group linked or mega, you know, other uh pro-Israel billionaires in the US to basically outsource or make US tech dependent on um Israeli tech with the with the ostensible purpose of preventing um boycots of Israel um in at any point in the future, which has sort of been a push of the Israeli within the United States where you can't even um criticize Israel in US uh universities or at public institutions or things of that nature due to um legislation that's gone forward. And I think that um that broader push is part of why we see someone like Epstein after his sexual blackmail operation was exposed after his first arrest and really fell apart um begin to cultivate really close ties with the tech industry uh cultivating ties with people like uh Elon Musk of Tesla um and you know um appearing at at dinners with people like Reed Hoffman of LinkedIn um meeting with people like Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook and really trying to rebrand himself before his most recent arrest. um as a tech investor. A lot of those um interviews where he was trying to promote himself as such ended up not being published after his arrest, but there were several outlets that came out and said later that they had interviewed Ebstein um from that perspective of of sort of um painting him as this investor in tech in the technology uh US technology sector. >> So you've raised Bill Clinton's name and a lot of people have asked you know where did Epstein's money come from? you you've covered that to an extent. So when I was writing about Barry Seal and researching what happened in Arkansas, Larry Nicholls who worked for the Clintons under ADF, he said, you know, that was set up supposedly to boost jobs in the economy, but actually almost $100 million worth of money from these arms for drugs transactions was getting laundered through ADF every month. And the way they did it was you you could get a loan from ADF that you never had to pay back. To get that loan, you paid the Rose Law Firm so much money, right? And and then the loan got approved. So there's this this this mindbogling amount of money in circulation >> because of these deals that the intelligence agencies are running. Do you think that some of Epstein's money came from that or he was laundering uh proceeds from such deals? >> Yeah, I definitely think he was super involved in money laundering and I think um you know if you look at Epstein's history, he left Beer Sterns in 1981. Um, I think he had uh ties to BCCI, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, which was very involved um with the Iran Contra scandal because we know that some of Epstein's clients during that time like Adnan Kosigible relied heavily on that bank and that that bank was heavily connected to intelligence at a time when Epstein claimed at one point that he was working for intelligence. So, um I think that was there definitely connections there. as to the the laundry that the Clintons um set up in Arkansas while Bill Clinton was governor. I don't know if Epste had direct ties to that one in particular, but I mean that was just one of many moneyaundering operations that were being supervised and run at the behest of the CIA uh during that period of time. Um but I think Epste because during the 1980s um was not really in the US that much. He was spent a lot of time in in London and traveling around as evidenced by this um mysterious Austrian passport that sort of came to light. um after his recent arrest he was uh you know going all over the world um but not so it appeared that he wasn't spending any amount of time or long periods of time um in the US specifically. Um, I also think it's interesting too, um, which hasn't really gotten enough coverage in my opinion in terms of the BCCI scandal, that BCCI was also, um, involved in the sex trafficking of minors, um, as an attempt to blackmail and basically bribe officials in different governments to get them to go along with, um, or rather to not prosecute and look the other way when it came to BCCI's uh, criminal activity um, moneyaundering among other things. And we know for a fact that this happened because it's in the US Senate report or Senate investigation of um BCCI and its activities. So, it's pretty much on the record um that this happened. And um what you mentioned earlier about how you and I uh you went sort of the the drug investigation route and I sort of went the sexual blackmail uh sexual blackmail operation route. Um you know, this is really um you know, arms trafficking, drug trafficking, the the sexual blackmail um and and the trafficking of minors. All of this stuff is is done by the same uh group, I guess you could call them, or whatever, this the syndicate. Um they're involved in all of these activities and they have used all of these activities um for years for for different purposes and have gotten away with it because there's been no accountability. Um they've been doing this as I mentioned um for decades almost actually probably like around a century now. um and uh there hasn't been any accountability and they are just uh have so much influence and in in power it seems like in in a lot of public institutions that normally we would presume would hold these people accountable. Um but as far as Epstein's moneyaundering goes, he also laundered a lot of money through New York real estate real estate uh deals or shady real estate deals especially if they are cashonly transactions or frequently used for moneyaundering. Um, I think a lot of that, as I mentioned earlier, um, how Epstein and Wexner were involved in a lot of real estate deals, um, in the 1980s. They were basically flipping all these properties around for cash only deals to shell companies that they also owned and all this, you know, other shady activity. Um, and at this time, as I mentioned, they were involved, Epstein was, you know, personal friends with people like Trump and and Tom Bareric, um, and people like that who also have been accused of, um, using their real estate empires for the purpose of moneyaundering. Um, that's why I think, you know, the Epstein Trump connections didn't really get um as much coverage perhaps as the Clinton ones because the Clinton one um, you know, has much more direct ties to the sexual blackmail operation than the Trump one does. But I think that's because, you know, the ties of of Trump um, to Epstein are related more to the sort of uh, criminal activity that takes that has taken place for a long time in uh, the New York real estate market. And also the fact that uh one of Donald Trump's mentors, Roy Conn, who I talk about in my series quite a bit, um was also very involved in sexual blackmail operations. So if your mentor is someone involved in that, they will tell you how not to be ins snared. Um and by all indications, we know that Trump knew what Epstein was doing because uh several years before Epstein was even arrested, um Trump talked about how he was always surrounded by women on the quote younger side um and things of that nature. And we also had recently uh the the the widow of Senator John McCain in the US uh go out in public and say we all knew what Epstein was doing. Um which I think didn't really get any coverage at all. So, you know, it's pretty much known that this was uh known to be going on. Um I dug up dug up a bunch of reports about Epstein and Max Gain Maxwell that were scrubbed from the internet after his first arrest in 2007, but I still found um quite a bit of them. And a lot of those also revealed if you read them um that it was very clear what was going on. I mean there were reports as early as the 90s about Gain Maxwell taking groups of young teenage girls and training them um in sex techniques and things like that. I mean it's very obvious if that was even able to make it into mainstream journalism at the time. It's very obvious that this was known uh to the people and in and these so that ran in these social circles with these with these individuals. this level of information that you have um does it worry you at all? I mean last year I came >> worry me in what way? >> Last year I was doxed and hacked and everything was upside down for like a month. >> Yeah. I um I had um a guy try and uh harass my father in my hometown where I haven't lived since I like left to go to college and put pictures of him online and threaten to go like interview him on his YouTube channel and you know just a lot of other stuff like that. And I I mean I've gotten some weird messages but I don't really um I mean I don't really let it bother me. I mean I don't live in the United States. I'm not really that worried um about a lot of uh push back from this, especially because the mainstream media ignores it so much. I mean, a lot of this has unfortunately in the months since the scandal really broke um has sort of faded from the public interest. I think the mainstream media is a major factor in that. um not just because they've basically ignored and and don't touch the story anymore, but even when they did, I mean, they just sensation uh you know, focus on the salacious details of the case and sort of sensationalized it and made it, you know, tabloides coverage. Um totally ignored the intelligence angle um and the government involvement in in all of this stuff. um and basically treated Gain Maxwell, who was a major co-conspirator in this, an abuser of children, you know, um a rapist herself and and all of these, you know, accused of all these other horrible crimes. You know, they treat her as Epstein's poor sad girlfriend or his gal pal. And I I find that really sickening and disgusting. But basically what that does in the public mind is sort of degrade this down to sort of like a tabloid salacious story and not what it should be a huge scandal about the fact that there are governments and intelligence agencies who are using taxpayer money to finance um the abuse of children for the purpose of of blackmail. Um which in any other like sane world would be a massive story and lead to massive account you know lead to some accountability for those involved. and there's really been nothing except that some people have been reforced to retire um from public life. Oh, poor them. You know, I don't really have a lot of pity um for people like like Wexner and and Prince Andrew who no longer feel comfortable um showing themselves uh you know, showing their faces at public events. I mean, I honestly think they belong in prison for what they did. Um you know, Prince Andrew, >> what do you think about Prince Andrew's 60th birthday party getting cancelled? >> Um wow. I didn't even know it was cancelled. Um but as I was saying, you know, I don't feel bad at all um for those people. I honestly, you know, um a lot of times when this sort of stuff happens and you know, like a birthday gets cancelled, like you know, mainstream media will make it sound horrible, but like it omit the fact that these people are criminals. So, you know, I don't really um have any sympathy at all. Actually, when it comes to Prince Andrew, those um scrubbed media reports that I was referencing, most of them were in UK media, and a lot of them had to do with um either uh controversy about Golain Maxwell herself because her father was very much hated uh for a rather long period of time in the UK for um his embezzlement of you know, worker pension funds and things like that. So, she would get um some coverage there. Um but Prince Andrew as well, you know, um there were reports of him going on vacation numerous times in the year 2000 um with Maxwell and Epstein and that he would bring along with him his own personal massage table um so he could receive massages from the girls that were that surrounded Epste and Maxwell at the time. And this didn't get any mainstream media coverage. They, you know, a lot of them took at face value uh Prince Andrew's claims that he was innocent. Um but of course even though I mean it came out in in the court case itself that massage and in massage tables and all of this this was um you know the way they hid uh these sexual activities they were cenamed as being massage when really it was you know forcing these girls to have sex with these people. Um and so the fact that he would bring his massage table around and would frequently get massages from people on vacation with you know Gain Maxwell and Epstein. This was going on uh on numerous vacations uh that Prince Andrew took with the two of them um in in the year 2000. Let's remember too that Prince Andrew's uh only accuser that has come gone public um Virginia uh Goo I always butcher her last name, her new last name, sorry, but Virginia Roberts is her original name. Anyway, she um said that she first encountered Prince Andrew in March of 2001. So the fact that this was going on before then, his his involvement in this is much more significant. Um, it's not surprising why more girls want to come forward to accuse Prince Andrew when we know that now that the reason ABC News, which apparently had the story before the scandal broke for a second time at Epstein's second arrest more recently, that was largely killed by pressure from Buckingham Palace and for the royal family itself. And that freaked ABC News out enough uh to kill the story. So imagine being, you know, a girl with that was abused like this and then you have, you know, no money, no connections and you have the royal family come after you. Um that uh you know, it makes sense uh why there aren't more accusers personally. There is definitely a lot of evidence that suggests that that Prince Andrew was you know abused lots of girls much more than than just Virginia um in this uh you know as part of this operation was very involved in it for a very long time. Um and the fact that you know okay so he's been forced to recuse himself from public life. I mean I don't I don't really care. I feel sad for anyone that actually does care and sees him as a sympathetic figure in all of this. So, do you think Prince Andrew has become a useful distraction then for bigger players because the media in this country on this case? That's all they've been focused on day after day after day. Prince Andrew. >> So, I think people like Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton were the people uh some of the quote unquote biggest prizes of the blackmail operation that Epste was running. And I think that had the focus on them has allowed attention on who Epstein was working for to evade attention. And I think that is the key there. Um not that I want to paint people like Prince Andrew and you know people like Bill Clinton as like victims. I certainly don't feel that way. But the fact is they um were were pretty clearly sort of you know entrapped in this. Um and you know what I was talking about those those scrub media reports. I mean, there's there's um quotes up there of Epstein saying that Delane Maxwell sort of um arranged that relationship between um Epstein and Andrew and that Epste considered Andrew to be one of his biggest prizes. And this is before any of this about blackmail came out or anything like that. So, you know, um I think the focus on them um like I like I said keeps attention away from the intelligence agencies that were tied to this. Um, and you know, to an extent, Wexner has has gotten some of the flak as well and been forced to recuse from public life. But it, you know, Wexner's connections to to, you know, the mega group or to politics in the US and Israel or intelligence or organized crime. I mean, none of that was covered. Just oh, um, he got money from Epstein, uh, or he helped, uh, Epstein, you know, get money and stuff like that. But you know, Wexner when all this came out last year claimed that Epstein had actually embezzled a bunch of money from him, but never provided any evidence. And there's actually uh it shows the opposite is true that when Epstein was going to prison the first time, the amount of money that Wexner claimed Epste embezzled, Epstein had actually transferred to Wexner right before he went to prison. So, uh, the evidence suggests the opposite. But mainstream media like reported Wexner's claims at face value and didn't even look at the obvious evidence how the how the evidence obviously contradicts you know what he was saying. So it's just it's ridiculous. >> So I've just almost finished reading the assassination of Robert Maxwell and it's just blown me away that this guy could sit down with Bush sit down with Garbachoff laundering money for criminal organizations from the Russian mafia to the cartels. He was feeding intelligence to all of the various agencies. And do you think that Maxwell brought Epstein into that world? Uh, well, that's what I've actually been told. I did an interview with some one an a former member of Israeli military intelligence who worked with Maxwell uh during the 1980s and he said that he personally saw Epste at Maxwell's offices on several occasion was introduced to Epstein by Maxwell and that Maxwell said that he had that Epstein had been approved by the higherups and was going to start working with them and things of that nature and that this had been facilitated out of uh due to the fact that prior to that Epstein and and Galain Maxwell had already started to date. Um, and of course the official story holds that they didn't meet until 1991. Um, this would obviously contradict that fact in that Maxwell, Robert Maxwell saw Epstein um, as you know, a potential future like son-in-law or something and wanted to get them and and his daughter sort of set up in the family business of, you know, doing all this shadow shadowy activity on behalf of intelligence. >> So, Maxwell was riding high for years. Robert Maxwell. And according to this book, he because he was in such desperate need for money, he started to put pressure on Israel to come up with almost half a billion pounds, which is um half a billion dollars probably the present translation rate. So when they weren't forthcoming, he he started to threaten certain things. So they said, "All right, we we will be forthcoming. Get on the yacht. Get on the Lady Galane. You need to meet these people at this location. And he goes off to the Canary Islands. He's found dead in the water without any clothes on. If he'd had a heart attack, he would have just crumpled and been found dead on the on the yacht >> with his clothes on, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, nothing makes any sense. So, basically, >> that doesn't make any sense. >> They took him out. Do you think Epstein was taken out by the same people? Uh, and for what reasons do you think he was taken out? >> Um, so going back to to Maxwell first, um, from what I understand as well, it had to do with the fact that, like you said, Maxwell was running interference and involved with a lot of different intelligence agencies and that a lot of the money that he had pilered out of his businesses in the UK had for a long time been going to finance MSAD activity in Europe. Um, and that at some point he had given some of the money that was intended for MSAD or to be paid back to uh people that had lent money to MSAD or or you know uh uh Israeli businessmen linked to MSAD that he had given that money instead to Mikuel Gorbachoff of the Soviet Soviet Union um and then was unable to make those payments and that's sort of where that um whole debacle ended up coming from and he started threatening Israel over money and and all of this stuff. Um but anyway, in terms of Epstein, um a lot we were talking about sort of like the media attention to a lot of it is just focus on his death specifically. And so I think a lot of the focus on his death and like the exact circumstances of it and exactly who was behind it also sort of detracts from uh the the accountability and and the media pressure on the people that were behind Epstein and financed his operation, what he was meant to do. Um, in terms of what actually happened to Epstein, um, you know, if you want to look at it super objectively and just look at the facts, there's, um, a lot we know way, I mean, we know so little about what actually happened. Um, you know, there there's been no camera footage. The FBI investigation has been like just a total farce and like just gone away basically. They were going to charge the prison guards for a while who were, you know, found like asleep and like forging stuff and one of them wasn't actually a prison guard and all this stuff. I mean, the whole thing. um was honestly just like so ridiculous. So like the fact when you take into consider into consideration the intelligence agency angle um you know that raises a lot of different possibilities as to what what could happen. It's very possible that what happened to Robert Maxwell could have happened to Epstein. Epstein um before he uh died was said to have said that he was afraid for his life. he was um was willing allegedly willing to cooperate with authorities and naming names and things of that nature. Um if that's true, I mean, I don't want to necessarily put all of my trust in what Epstein was saying either. Um cuz he's obviously not a trustworthy individual. Um but, you know, it's certainly very possible intelligence agencies when someone even if they're a longtime agent and a longtime asset, if they become a liability, I mean, just like Robert Maxwell, they get taken out. Um though, you know, I don't really want to rule out, you know, other possibilities. Some people have raised that he may have been whisked away somewhere. I mean, when you get involved with intelligence agencies, I mean, they they do all sorts of stuff uh like that. And I think it would be, you know, I I don't really want to underestimate them that they're capable of that. You know, apparently they've been hiding Gain Maxwell in Israel and some other intelligence safe houses this entire time and she hasn't been seen by the public. Um so, you know, why couldn't they do the same for him? I mean, I don't really want to commit myself to any specific theory. It seems likely just given the precedent with Robert Maxwell um that he would be killed off, but there's been a lot of speculation about, you know, the the coroners involved and claiming um you know, he was dead or he was murdered and all of that. you know, like um the the the coron the independent coroner that was hired by Epste's brother, Mark Epstein, is a very shady individual um who was involved in the Kennedy assassination cover up um in the Martin Luther King Jr. assassination cover up, which you know, involved intelligence and governments and all of that stuff. Um so you know I really uh it's really hard for me to like you know marry myself to one possibility but at the same time I I I really want to urge people to not focus so much on the circumstances of his death but on the people who are still with us and who you know should be held accountable for their role. You know this of course includes Galain Maxwell. Um, this includes people like Leslie Wexner who at least are known to the public to be directly associated with this operation, but I think more broadly the intelligence agencies because if they were paying someone like Epstein to do this, uh, they will they were likely paying other people at the time to do the same. Historically, a lot of the sexual blackmail operations intelligence agencies have used involved underage boys. Epste was known to only really in, you know, uh, exploit underage girls. So presumably at the same time Epstein was involved in his activity, there was someone also doing the same to underage boys um that we don't know about. So you know I think until intelligence is held accountable, we'll never really know um how many of these how many Epstein are out there and how many kids they're exploiting and you know you know taking from schools and homes and and forcing them into the into this work. um you know, as long as it has state protection and an an infinite source of financing through black budgets or taxpayer funds, you know, this type of stuff will continue. So, focusing all the attention just on um Epstein specifically and Epstein's death and and and things of that nature um sort of, you know, prevents us from eradicating the problem. >> So, everybody wants Gain Maxwell to be held accountable. You said that she's probably under the protection of intelligence agencies and she's in Israel. What do you base that on? Do you think she also she may have royal protection through this relationship with Prince Andrew? >> Um I mean I wouldn't rule it out. I mean of course the royal family does have ties to the British intelligence apparatus. Um so I mean I definitely think that is possible. Um, I say that I say that about Israel because the most recent reports that have been on have been about Delaney Maxwell's whereabouts have cited Israel specifically. Um, and uh there hasn't been a lot of media interest and trying to find out where she is or even take pictures of her, even though I'm sure, you know, uh, a paparazzi photographer would be handsomely paid for that, but there hasn't been any interest um, apparently in doing so. So, that to me suggests some level of state protection. um knowing that her father had very close ties to Israel's intelligence apparatus would make sense. He also you know worked as you know in an informant or asset or or what have you for several different intelligence agencies around the world. Uh because even though he is most closely linked to Israel's intelligence he was very selferving um and like a lot of people that get very deep in the world of organized crime and intelligence um you know sell out to the highest bidder on numerous occasions. So, it's really hard to know exactly um which agencies would be most interested in harboring Maxwell, but given what's come out about a lot of the sectional blackmail operation being tied to Israel and Galain Maxwell's own family ties to Israel. I mean, Robert Maxwell is buried there after all in a cemetery that's reserved for like very wellrespected Israeli politicians and and military figures. Um, and he was basically given a state funeral and eulogized by top members of Israel's intelligence agencies and government. So, you know, it would make a lot of sense for her um to be there, but I mean, I definitely wouldn't rule out her being shuffled around different countries at any given time to intelligence link safe houses of which there are numerous uh you know, throughout throughout the world really. Um, and I would say that, you know, that state protection is why she hasn't been seen and probably why she won't be held accountable until those same intelligence agencies are forced to be accountable, which um, as we've seen time and again, um, regardless of the scandal, the intelligence agency always ends up investigating itself and then acquitting itself, right? So, um, the push for accountability then has to come from the people. And as I've said, a lot of people have lost interest in this case um as time has gone on, which is, you know, very unfortunate, but is, you know, due to uh how mainstream media and the media landscape in general covers this story. >> Well, they've not lost interest on my channel. There's an obsession with it. So, I've just got one final question because we're nearly at the hour. Um, Virginia made serious allegations against Jean Luke Brunell. What became of him? Well, so after Epstein was quote unquote killed, there were reports that uh Brunell and and Maxwell were hiding out together. The first report of that claim that it was a some very exclusive uh resort in Brazil. Um but it's really hard to know if he is still there. We do know that John Luke Brunell during the time he was associated with Epstein and the blackmail operation specifically would travel to South America on numerous occasions to try and procure girls for the operation from there. Um, so you know, it wouldn't be that surprising for Bernell to be hiding out there. But honestly, um, even though there's still occasionally been sort of spurts of reporting on Galain Maxwell and her whereabouts, um, Jean Luke Brunell has not really, uh, gotten any of that like waning media interest even, so it's really hard uh, to know where he is. Um, for a time France was going to investigate uh the Epstein scandal and there was some media attention about, oh, finally they all get to the bottom of it because the US didn't or the UK didn't. Um but of course that is um quite naive when we consider that the current president of um of France used to work uh for the Rothschild banks which are uh tied to a lot of this criminal syndicate um for which uh that that you know I sort of uncover my reports and that a major member of the Rothschild family uh Lynn Forester to Rothschild is the person that introduced um Epstein to Bill Clinton apparently and made that connection. So um they have a lot of interest in not in that not being investigated. So, you know, I just um uh unfortunately if people want accountability either for Maxwell or Brunell, it has to come from pressure from the public. Um and it will not be coming from our public institutions or for mainstream media outlets, which is very unfortunate. >> I think a lot of people will find what you've said today and your other articles online, the the depth of the research is just absolutely jaw-dropping. People will want to support you, people will want to contact you. Um, do you have preferred means of people supporting you on social media or contacting you? >> Uh, right. So, I am right now easiest to contact on uh Twitter because I do have a Facebook author page, but I have been sort of banned from posting anything on it since last April. So, uh, you can see it, but there's like no recent articles and I can not really respond that easily to messages on there, but but Twitter is usually a better bet. Um, I do have a Patreon that I started up because even though I've been at Mint Press, um, sorry, Mint Press, uh, News for several years, I have plans in the very near future to be going independent. So, if you would like to support my work, you can follow me on my Patreon, um, which I believe is Whitney Webb MPN on on patreon.com or you can just search my name and it will come up there. Um, I have plans uh, actually, well, I already have signed the paperwork. I will be turning my um investigation on Epste into a book um which I will be combining with a second investigative series that focus on the Epstein Trump relationship uh the real estate moneyaundering and and Epstein's other financial crimes um including his uh very major role in collapsing Bear Sterns in 2008 uh during the economic crisis which uh unsurprisingly uh didn't get really any media coverage at all when the scandal broke last year. you think that would be uh quite significant, but it's it's very well documented that he basically was the pin that that pricricked Bear Sterns and led to its its collapse during the the last financial crisis. Um and and other things of that nature. So, I think um you know, that will be of interest to some of your viewers and if they would like to help me support uh that series and the effort uh behind that book because um the publisher I'm working with is really small, so they really couldn't pay me in advance on the book. So, I'm basically trying to crowdfund it. Um, so if anyone would be interested in seeing um, my efforts in my my research efforts into this um, you know, very sorted scandal and the world of um, you know, intelligence and organized crime and sexual blackmail and all of that, if you would like to support me, please support me on Patreon. >> So, all of Whitney's links are in the description box below this video. So, I urge people to click down and support what she's doing. Have you decided on a title for the book? >> Uh, yeah. It's a one nation under blackmail is the title. >> Wow. So, I thank you for coming on. Uh huge thank you to all the people who are following the Epstein videos on my channel. If you've not subscribed, subscription box is in the bottom right hand corner of this video. Huge thank you to all the people who donated on PayPal. Patreon just giving subscribe star to make these videos possible. Um I totally look forward to reading more of your upcoming reports and finding out what you've got to say on this and the book as well. So, thanks for being so generous of your time. Cheers. Thank you.