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Global Debt Bubble About To Trigger Financial Crisis Warns Former Central Banker | William White

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1. The global hegemon is gone, and a smooth transition to whatever comes next should not be assumed.
2. Economic downturns typically involve a migration of debt from the private to the public sector.
3. Given unprecedented record levels of US government debt to GDP, inflation might be the only viable solution.
4. Dr. William White is a senior fellow at the CD Howe Institute, with previous leadership roles at the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) and senior positions at the Bank of England and Bank of Canada.
5. Dr. White has consistently warned about impending financial crises, their potential appearance, and how best to prepare.
6. His 2018 article warned about the next financial crisis, stating that the current monetary path was ineffective and dangerous, increasing the likelihood of another crisis despite zero interest rate policies (ZIRP) at the time.
7. Since 2018, the economic situation in advanced economies has cumulatively worsened, bringing them closer to the financial crisis he previously warned about throughout his career.
8. A fundamental problem is the accumulation of credit finance debt and leverage, where safety nets prevent debt liquidation during downturns. Debts continuously build up in upturns without being equally reversed in downturns.
9. Crises related to debt and leverage have become progressively more severe over recent decades, indicating an aggravation of underlying economic problems.
10. Public sector deficits consistently rise during downturns, but equal surpluses do not materialize in upturns, leading to a continuous increase in overall debt levels.
11. Private sector debt is also growing, with a significant portion now owed to non-bank financial institutions like private credit, making it difficult to ascertain who owns the debt and increasing systemic vulnerabilities.
12. The steadily rising stock market, particularly its high concentration in a few AI-related firms, is a symptom of underlying problems. This concentration, combined with leverage, creates an unsettling market environment.
13. The recent increase in US national debt, reaching $38 trillion, is largely attributed to easy money policies. The ability to borrow at effectively no cost presents a tremendous temptation to policymakers and others.
14. There is a human tendency to extrapolate current low borrowing costs indefinitely, which discourages fiscal restraint and materially contributes to expanding fiscal deficits.
15. Despite relatively higher US interest rates, which should typically support the dollar, it has paradoxically weakened over the past year.
16. This dollar weakness likely stems from increasing concerns about its long-term robustness, partly influenced by the treatment of Russian assets during the Ukraine war.
17. Growing worries about US deficits and record government debt-to-GDP suggest an impending period of fiscal dominance where inflation becomes the primary means of resolution.
18. Fears about future inflationary dynamics in the United States, compounded by political challenges to the Federal Reserve's independence, are prompting some to disinvest from dollar-denominated assets.
19. Unintended consequences of regulatory reforms have led to a reduction in market liquidity.
20. Even without inflationary pressures, financial markets themselves might react in a disorderly way to signals of stronger economic growth.
21. Sovereign bond yields in advanced economies, which were historically low in 2018, were ripe for a reversal, and bond yields on the long end of the curve are now significantly higher.
22. A smooth economic transition to the future should not be assumed, as the economy is a complex adaptive system susceptible to sudden "tipping points," similar to climate systems.
23. A primary concern is the potential return of "bond vigilantes," which could trigger a sudden and sharp rise in bond prices, causing widespread economic problems.
24. The future economy is likely to be more inflationary than the past because the major secular forces that previously drove inflation down for many years are now reversing.
25. Demographic shifts, including declining working-age populations in advanced markets, China, Korea, and Japan, will significantly reduce productive potential.
26. Globalization, which previously lowered prices by integrating new labor into global markets, is reversing due to deglobalization and tariff wars, leading to increased prices.
27. Climate change mitigation and adaptation efforts will be enormously expensive, following decades of inadequate concern for fossil fuel use and the current "carbon budget" limitations.
28. Corporations are shifting their focus from maximizing shareholder value and efficiency to prioritizing resilience, necessitating costly changes in supply chains to avoid over-reliance on single producers.
29. Indebted governments are likely to increasingly use inflation as a politically expedient method to manage large debts, rather than implementing debt restructuring or austerity measures.
30. The ultimate concern regarding rising debt is that governments may eventually be unable to service interest costs, potentially leading to default or intervention by bond vigilantes, causing significant market instability.
31. In complex systems, there is no single equilibrium, but rather multiple possible outcomes, making precise forecasts of economic events challenging.
32. A plausible near-term response to rising interest rates is a deflationary scenario, where overextended private corporations fail due to unsustainable debt service costs, leading to a contraction of credit.
33. This deflationary environment would exacerbate the debt burden for governments, most of which (with possible exceptions like Germany and Switzerland) already carry huge debts.
34. During a recession, tax revenues decline, and deficits expand, compelling governments to further increase spending and offer more credit guarantees to prevent a collapse.
35. Historically, economic downturns lead to a migration of debt from the private sector to the public sector, which then creates pressure for increased monetary accommodation.
36. This process can shift an initial deflationary outcome towards an inflationary one, where inflation can rise sharply even as real output declines, as seen in some Latin American countries.
37. The conventional assumption that a deep recession will inevitably lead to disinflation is not always true, as complex systems can experience rapid "phase transitions" (like ice to water).
38. Unlike private entities, sovereign nations can print more money and issue new debt to cover existing maturing obligations, rather than filing for bankruptcy.
39. Before World War II, when many countries were on or linked to the gold standard, highly indebted advanced nations typically defaulted because they could not print their way out of debt.
40. Since World War II and the advent of fiat currencies, countries have generally chosen to inflate their way out of debt, a practice likely to continue when faced with similar challenges.
41. One often-touted solution to the government debt overhang problem is achieving faster economic growth to maintain a stable and manageable debt-to-GDP ratio.
42. However, achieving faster growth is difficult when the debt overhang itself acts as a constraint on spending and growth.
43. While AI offers potential for increased growth, it is a hopeful bet rather than a certainty.
44. Supply-side reforms, which could significantly boost potential growth, have been increasingly difficult to implement globally due to numerous vested interests and political gridlock.
45. Productivity growth, particularly total factor productivity, has been declining for decades, notably since the Great Financial Crisis.
46. The World Bank and IMF's medium-term projections forecast even slower growth ahead, making reliance on faster growth to resolve debt issues a risky proposition.
47. Central banks and governments should recognize that using lower interest rates to stimulate the economy has merely postponed addressing underlying problems and exacerbated debt accumulation.
48. With each economic cycle, the problem of excessive debt worsens, creating an even greater incentive for policymakers to defer corrective action, even while knowing it worsens the situation.
49. Eventually, a point will be reached where delaying action is no longer possible, necessitating the adoption of more fundamental solutions beyond current macroeconomic tools.
50. Germany's historical experience with hyperinflation after World War I has left an indelible mark, making its population highly sensitive to inflation and more receptive to austerity measures.
51. The United States and many other Western countries, in contrast, are primarily influenced by the Great Depression, leading to a strong focus on avoiding deflation and stimulating demand.
52. Convincing the public and politicians to accept austerity or even modest deficit reduction is exceedingly difficult, as leaders fear losing elections by implementing unpopular but necessary reforms.
53. There is a strong aversion to tax increases in the US, with some even viewing a Value Added Tax (VAT) as "communist," contributing to a "starve the beast" mentality against government spending.
54. The increasing popularity of democratic socialist policies, such as free public services and higher minimum wages financed by taxing the wealthy, is a cause for concern.
55. If adopted on a wider scale, these policies would further push societies that are already living beyond their means.
56. While acknowledging legitimate concerns about the long-term accumulation of income and wealth by the top 1-10% as socially suboptimal, collective efforts to live beyond means will heighten the dangers of inflation.
57. Societies are currently living beyond their means due to high consumption levels (both government and private) relative to inadequate investment.
58. Massive investment is critically needed for infrastructure repair, climate change adaptation and mitigation, establishing new supply lines in a deglobalized world, and increasing defense spending.
59. Given limited aggregate supply and the necessity for higher investment, consumption levels must be reduced to ensure long-term economic sustainability, representing an unavoidable arithmetic reality.
60. Canada's government debt-to-GDP levels significantly escalated throughout the 1990s and 2000s, rising notably beyond its G7 peers.
61. Canadian productivity growth, which had previously outpaced the US, reversed course in the early 2000s, coincidentally with the dramatic rise in Canadian debt.
62. Low investment in Canada relative to the United States likely contributes to its lower productivity levels, as productivity is typically linked to capital investment.
63. Problems in economies like Italy involve prolonged stagnant growth, which mirrors Canada's productivity challenges.
64. A substantial portion of Canada's debt increase originates at the provincial level, with some provinces demonstrating more "improvident" fiscal management.
65. An environment of very low interest rates creates a strong temptation for governments to incur more debt through running deficits, as debt service appears manageable, masking the underlying problem.
66. Debt sustainability depends critically on the relationship between interest rates and economic growth rates; low interest rates make debt seem manageable, but a rise in rates can quickly create a severe problem.
67. In the early 2000s, during a period of credit expansion, there was a call for the Federal Reserve to "lean against the wind" by raising interest rates to prevent future problems.
68. This approach, rooted in Austrian-Hayekian economics, argues that economic downturns are a manifestation of problems accumulated during upturns, especially those driven by credit and leverage.
69. Currently, the very problems that were sought to be mitigated (dangerously high public and private debt levels) are now prominently apparent.
70. In the present environment, attempting to "lean against the wind" with higher interest rates might trigger the very economic downturn that policymakers are trying to avoid, as the economy cannot absorb the shock.
71. This situation describes a "debt trap": interest rates cannot be raised because the economy is too fragile, but they also cannot be lowered because it would exacerbate the existing problem of excessive debt.
72. Being caught in this debt trap means that more fundamental solutions are required beyond the use of traditional macroeconomic tools.
73. International cooperation is currently in a state of "total mess," arguably the worst it has been in 50 years.
74. The world has undergone a profound change with the disappearance of the hegemon, and the dominant global position previously held by the US has ended.
75. China is emerging as the major power in the real economy, particularly in manufacturing, while the US retains financial dominance, with the dollar still central to global transactions.
76. The US and China are expected to continue "sniping away" at each other, with China leveraging its control over essential real goods (e.g., rare earths, pharmaceuticals).
77. China will attempt to undermine the US's financial dominance, while the US will seek to strengthen its financial position and counteract Chinese production monopolies by encouraging domestic foreign direct investment.
78. Finding cooperative solutions that benefit all parties will be extremely difficult in this evolving global landscape.
79. The Ricardian theories of comparative advantage, which advocate for trade based on specialization, remain applicable today.
80. Countries like Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan achieved significant progress through ingenuity and export-led development, despite lacking material resources.
81. Material impediments to trade will ultimately be detrimental to everyone's standard of living.
82. There is a possibility that global alliances could form not just between China and the US, but between the US and the rest of the world, if the US withdraws from global cooperation on various issues.
83. In such a scenario, other nations might form their own trading blocs and agreements, independent of the United States.
84. Canada, due to its geographical proximity, has little choice but to remain allied with the US bloc for the foreseeable future, despite some disagreements on issues like climate and tariffs.
85. Canada's economic trajectory is path-dependent, starting from its current position where approximately 75% of its exports are still directed to the US.
86. The US dollar's dominance has historically been resilient, often defying predictions of its demise, and advancements like stablecoins and US efforts in digitalization may help its continued use.
87. China has significantly reduced its holdings of US dollars and increased its gold reserves, potentially aiming to establish an alternative gold-backed currency system, possibly centered on the Renminbi, akin to a "Bretton Woods" arrangement.
88. Such an alternative system would not emerge quickly, but it could serve as a "Plan B" if trust in the dollar erodes further, particularly due to its "weaponization."
89. While BRICS countries have publicly denied intentions to create a unified currency, China might lead a movement to establish a "euro-area" type common currency among some BRICS members in the Far East.
90. The formation of a common currency area in Southeast Asia faces considerable challenges due to the wide cultural diversity and persistent historical conflicts among its potential member nations.
91. The Eurozone alliance is currently fragile, especially given Germany's recession.
92. Germany's auto sector faces significant challenges from environmental regulations and low consumer demand for electric vehicles (EVs), putting some companies at risk of bankruptcy.
93. Germany made several "bad bets," including excessive reliance on Russia for cheap gas, China for export markets, and the US for security, all of which are now unraveling.
94. Climate change policies are perceived as costly, and German car companies were slow to adapt, now facing a disadvantage with their continued focus on petrol engines.
95. The Chinese model of industrial innovation involves government guidance and intense domestic competition in supported sectors like EVs, leading to initial losses as companies fight for market dominance before expanding globally.
96. European automakers are currently confronted with extremely competitive Chinese EVs.
97. A controversial proposal suggests eliminating tariffs on cheaper Chinese EVs to significantly reduce global emissions, even if it leads to domestic car companies going out of business.
98. Any solution to these complex problems must be implemented over time to minimize the costs of adjustment, as rapid changes can be destructive.
99. No nation, regardless of its concern for global welfare (including climate change), will intentionally destroy its own economy. Germany will likely raise tariffs on EVs, which will not help climate change efforts.
100. Western companies in sectors like solar and wind power previously faced similar challenges when subsidized Chinese production entered the market, highlighting the dilemma between supporting domestic industry and allowing cheaper, climate-friendly imports.
101. Forecasting currency movements is impossible in complex adaptive systems.
102. The relative strength of currencies often depends on which country's situation is comparatively worse ("who's the dirtiest shirt in the laundry"), as most nations face significant debt problems.
103. When all major currencies are perceived as risky, people may seek refuge in alternative assets like gold, explaining its recent massive price increase.
104. The US dollar may be particularly vulnerable due to a recent "shock hit to trust" regarding its stability, as the idea of the dollar being at risk gains traction and could lead to a more realistic assessment of its future value.
105. Nominal bond yields likely have more room to increase than currently anticipated.
106. This expectation is based on prospective secular inflationary pressures and the likelihood that indebted governments will use inflation as a means to manage their debt service overhang problems.
107. Despite these expectations, the future remains inherently uncertain due to the complexity of economic systems.
108. Artificial Intelligence (AI) is the obvious candidate for future technological development that could significantly enhance living standards, labor productivity, and real wages.
109. Similar to past technological revolutions, AI will likely take one to two decades to fully mature and deliver its transformative benefits for productivity and human welfare.
110. A concern is that massive investment in AI, akin to the internet boom, might not yield near-term payoffs, potentially causing significant disinflationary problems for leading companies before the full benefits of increased real output materialize.
111. The long-term impact of AI on inflation, specifically whether it will be disinflationary or inflationary due to its effects on the labor force and output, is a subject of ongoing debate, involving many complex forces.
112. Dr. William White's public work is available on his website, www.williamwhite.ca.